Re: MiG-19 vs. the Best European Fighters of 1956

feeds@yuku.com (bager1968) — Mon, 12 May 2008 03:00:21 GMT

The first production version of the F-105 was the "B" (65 produced from 1956-1960), which did primarily have A-G weapons systems... with a radar-ranging gunsight for the M61A Vulcan cannon being the only A-A equipment

The main production version was the -"D" (610 produced from 1959 on), with the AN/ASG-19 Fire Control System, which was designed around the NASARR R-14A all-purpose monopulse radar. This radar was optimized in...

Re: MiG-19 vs. the Best European Fighters of 1956

feeds@yuku.com (Getz) — Mon, 12 May 2008 00:32:28 GMT

Well, the Mosquito Bombers had no guns at all, so I doubt they ever racked up any air to air kills. I would also argue that the Mosquito could hardly be described as a failure as a day bomber by any rational standard...

However, the F-105 was designed as a low level, supersonic, nuclear strike aircraft - not a fighter (although it did have some air to air capabilty built in). It says so here...

Re: MiG-19 vs. the Best European Fighters of 1956

feeds@yuku.com (jlyons97) — Sat, 10 May 2008 03:24:11 GMT

taschoene wrote:

jlyons97 wrote:
The F-105 was (1) a fighter from the start and (2) a single engine fighter at that. There may well have been operational internal bomb bay fighters before the Thud with these characteristics, but others will have to tell me what they were.

The F-102, which beat the F-105 into service by a couple of...

Re: MiG-19 vs. the Best European Fighters of 1956

feeds@yuku.com (taschoene) — Sat, 10 May 2008 01:36:03 GMT

jlyons97 wrote:
The F-105 was (1) a fighter from the start and (2) a single engine fighter at that. There may well have been operational internal bomb bay fighters before the Thud with these characteristics, but others will have to tell me what they were.

The F-102, which beat the F-105 into service by a couple of years. And was a real fighter, designed from the outset to attack other aircraft. That the...

Re: MiG-19 vs. the Best European Fighters of 1956

feeds@yuku.com (taschoene) — Sat, 10 May 2008 01:11:30 GMT

jlyons97 wrote:

Getz wrote:
The F-105 was never really a fighter though, was it...

Hmmm. Those F-105 air-to-air kills were done by merely frightened the NVA to death?

Be fair here. The F-105 was designed from the outset as a tactical nuclear bomber; it certainly was never meant to seek out combat with other...

Re: MiG-19 vs. the Best European Fighters of 1956

feeds@yuku.com (Getz) — Sat, 10 May 2008 01:11:24 GMT

B17's managed to shoot down German fighters... Didn't stop them being bombers...

Re: MiG-19 vs. the Best European Fighters of 1956

feeds@yuku.com (jlyons97) — Fri, 09 May 2008 23:54:16 GMT

Getz wrote:
The F-105 was never really a fighter though, was it...

Hmmm. Those F-105 air-to-air kills were done by merely frightened the NVA to death?

Re: MiG-19 vs. the Best European Fighters of 1956

feeds@yuku.com (Getz) — Fri, 09 May 2008 02:19:18 GMT

The F-105 was never really a fighter though, was it...

Re: MiG-19 vs. the Best European Fighters of 1956

feeds@yuku.com (jlyons97) — Thu, 08 May 2008 22:01:17 GMT

I thought the concept of an internal bomb bay on a twin engine bomber was not new ground plowed by the Mosquito. Which was to start, a bomber. That the fighter Mossie had a bomb bay was incidental. The F-105 was (1) a fighter from the start and (2) a single engine fighter at that. There may well have been operational internal bomb bay fighters before the Thud with these characteristics, but others will have to tell me what they were.

Re: MiG-19 vs. the Best European Fighters of 1956

feeds@yuku.com (Admiral Beez) — Sat, 03 May 2008 04:04:56 GMT

Well, I'll give you the F-102 and F-106, as it's certainly impressive to envision AAMs dropping from the hull and rocketing off. However, IIRC the integral weapon's bay on the F-105, F-111 and Buc was for bombs or ASuW guided weapons, not AAMs. Having bomb bays on fighter-bombers was innovative for the de Haviland Mosquito et al, but less impressive on a F-105 Thunderchief 30 years later.

Re: MiG-19 vs. the Best European Fighters of 1956

feeds@yuku.com (bager1968) — Fri, 02 May 2008 19:13:11 GMT

Admiral Beez wrote:
What impressed me about the mock-up full size Arrow at the Toronto Aerospace Museum was the integral weapons bay, much like the F-22 today.

And the F-102, F-105, F-106, F-111, and Buccaneer.

OK, I'll stop.