Global Warming Retreats

Re: Global Warming Retreats

feeds@yuku.com (kell553) — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 01:26:35 GMT

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0803/0803.2298v1.pdf

I went over it and found some points to ponder.
The Sloan study shows an anti-correlation for Solar Cycle 22 (85-95), however half of that period had dust and debris in the air from Pinatubo, which may have contaminated the Cloud results. Sloan makes no comment on that. Solar...

Re: Global Warming Retreats

feeds@yuku.com (Nightwatch2) — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:38:05 GMT

Starviking wrote:

Nightwatch2 wrote:
right you are Kell. They will just change to another manufactured crisis and this one will quietly slip away. But the most recent ploy has been to change the name from Global Warming to Climate Change - and ignore the greenhouse gas predictions.

Well, I don't know how I missed this one!...

Re: Global Warming Retreats

feeds@yuku.com (Starviking) — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:59:44 GMT

Nightwatch2 wrote:
right you are Kell. They will just change to another manufactured crisis and this one will quietly slip away. But the most recent ploy has been to change the name from Global Warming to Climate Change - and ignore the greenhouse gas predictions.

Well, I don't know how I missed this one! Climate Change is a ploy? Well considering we've had:

The 2008...

Re: Global Warming Retreats

feeds@yuku.com (Starviking) — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:54:25 GMT

Nightwatch2 wrote:
well then "doctor" I suggest you go read the book on the subject and find out some actual facts - such as what the theory really is and what it is based on. You accuse me of engaging in conspiracy theory hysterics and you can't even be bothered to read actual scientific facts.

You don't have to call me Doctor dear Nightwatch, I just thought the Harry Flashman's idea of...

Re: Global Warming Retreats

feeds@yuku.com (Starviking) — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:06:34 GMT

Nightwatch wrote:
so - you actually agree that the article included serious errors and either misquoted or accurately quoted erroneous statements. And yet - you maintain that it is a solid hit on the theory. interesting............ I presume that in your highly credentialed academic career the study of logic never crossed your curriculum?

Now, this might be difficult for you to follow Nightwatch - but try...

Re: Global Warming Retreats

feeds@yuku.com (Nightwatch2) — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:08:10 GMT

Starviking wrote:

Kell 553 wrote:
Unfortunately Mr. Black has based his argument on a pretty spectacular flaw. The sun is NOT the source of the cosmic rays. It is the suns increased activity (and stronger magnetic field during the past few energetic cycles) that keeps cosmic rays from deep space away. Once the sun...

Re: Global Warming Retreats

feeds@yuku.com (Nightwatch2) — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:53:33 GMT

Starviking wrote:

Nightwatch2 wrote:
Focusing on just the past 20 years is also a red flag - during one period of high solar activity he tries to find the wrong link and therefore claims the theory which looks back over hundreds of thousands of years is flawed.

Nope, not a red...

Re: Global Warming Retreats

feeds@yuku.com (Starviking) — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:16:51 GMT

Nightwatch2 wrote:
starvking,

"Nightwatch, please address the point I was responding to, YOU wrote:

"A suggestion - try applying the same standards to that side of the debate." "

you seem to have missed the point. The Global Warming Hysterics make the claim that no one who is not a scientist in a specific discipline can have no voice in the debate...

Re: Global Warming Retreats

feeds@yuku.com (Starviking) — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 09:12:13 GMT

Nightwatch2 wrote:
Focusing on just the past 20 years is also a red flag - during one period of high solar activity he tries to find the wrong link and therefore claims the theory which looks back over hundreds of thousands of years is flawed.

Nope, not a red flag. Satellites are have been widely used over the past 20 years to observe solar...

Re: Global Warming Retreats

feeds@yuku.com (Starviking) — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 08:57:57 GMT

Kell 553 wrote:
Unfortunately Mr. Black has based his argument on a pretty spectacular flaw. The sun is NOT the source of the cosmic rays. It is the suns increased activity (and stronger magnetic field during the past few energetic cycles) that keeps cosmic rays from deep space away. Once the sun goes into a quiet period (which it now has over this past year) the suns field will...

Re: Global Warming Retreats

feeds@yuku.com (Harry Flashman) — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:09:09 GMT
MEN WITH DOCTORATES EXPLAIN AND PREDICT BOTH WEATHER AND CLIMATE!
WORLD IS AMAZED!!

Global temperatures 'to decrease'
By Roger Harrabin, BBC News environment analyst Story from BBC NEWS: Published: 2008/04/04 00:42:26 GMT, © BBC MMVIII
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/science/nature/7329799.stm

Global temperatures this year will be lower than in 2007...

Re: Global Warming Retreats

feeds@yuku.com (kell553) — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:41:26 GMT
Well, a very short and sweet email. Mr. Black was very concise is mentioning that extra-solar cosmic rays were looked at. But that was it. Sort of a blow off more than anything else, so I sent a return response.
I guess that makes me an AGW Denial stalker lunatic now.

Sent: 03 April 2008 07:53...

Re: Global Warming Retreats

feeds@yuku.com (Nightwatch2) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:02:31 GMT

kell553 wrote:
I sent an email to the author last night and pointed out all of these issues in the article. Also asked that if the scientist (Lockwood) can't even articulate the theory correctly, then how can he possibly claim to have refuted it?
Can't wait to get home and see the response (assuming one even gets sent).
I'll post the results.
It should be...entertaining.

I...

Re: Global Warming Retreats

feeds@yuku.com (kell553) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 20:46:39 GMT
I sent an email to the author last night and pointed out all of these issues in the article. Also asked that if the scientist (Lockwood) can't even articulate the theory correctly, then how can he possibly claim to have refuted it?
Can't wait to get home and see the response (assuming one even gets sent).
I'll post the results.
It should be...entertaining.

Re: Global Warming Retreats

feeds@yuku.com (Nightwatch2) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:39:11 GMT

kell553 wrote:
Unfortunately Mr. Black has based his argument on a pretty spectacular flaw. The sun is NOT the source of the cosmic rays. It is the suns increased activity (and stronger magnetic field during the past few energetic cycles) that keeps cosmic rays from deep space away. Once the sun goes into a quiet period (which it now has over this past year) the suns field will weaken and then allow the extra solar radiation to...

Re: Global Warming Retreats

feeds@yuku.com (kell553) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 08:27:29 GMT
Unfortunately Mr. Black has based his argument on a pretty spectacular flaw. The sun is NOT the source of the cosmic rays. It is the suns increased activity (and stronger magnetic field during the past few energetic cycles) that keeps cosmic rays from deep space away. Once the sun goes into a quiet period (which it now has over this past year) the suns field will weaken and then allow the extra solar radiation to hit the earth.
Note this:
He showed that over the last 20...

Re: Global Warming Retreats

feeds@yuku.com (Harry Flashman) — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 05:55:08 GMT
'No Sun link' to climate change
By Richard Black, Environment correspondent, BBC News website
Story from BBC NEWS: Published: 2008/04/03 00:26:05 GMT, © BBC MMVIII
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/science/nature/7327393.stm

Scientists have produced further compelling evidence showing that modern-day climate change is not caused by changes in the Sun's...

Re: Global Warming Retreats

feeds@yuku.com (Nightwatch2) — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:22:49 GMT
jim3au,

"The article sounds good and even obvious. It is so obvious in fact that one has to ask why no one else has produced serious study of like principles before. "

there is quite a lot. That article is a summation of a lot of scientific studies. You haven't seen them, because the Agenda-Journalists of the Propaganda Press haven't published them.

for further scientific references;

Re: Global Warming Retreats

feeds@yuku.com (Starviking) — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:17:53 GMT
JBG wrote:
"That's a very broad generalisation, with a lot of paranoia thrown in. As a scientist, I see an awful lot more lack of qualifications, questionable motives, and political ax-grinding in the anti-AGW blogs quoted here. "

That is an interesting statement. I suppose I fall into the "anti-AGW' camp so I'd disagree with the first two criticisms but you are right that...

Re: Global Warming Retreats

feeds@yuku.com (JBG) — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:57:20 GMT
"That's a very broad generalisation, with a lot of paranoia thrown in. As a scientist, I see an awful lot more lack of qualifications, questionable motives, and political ax-grinding in the anti-AGW blogs quoted here. "

That is an interesting statement. I suppose I fall into the "anti-AGW' camp so I'd disagree with the first two criticisms but you are right that political considerations come more into play on sceptical sites than AGW...

Global Warming Retreats

feeds@yuku.com (xtvpry) — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:20:56 GMT

Global Warming Retreats

http://strata-sphere.com/blog/
Posted by AJStrata on March 12th, 2008

This is just too much:
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