Re: Croatian navy news & discussion

feeds@yuku.com (Argosy23) — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:03:01 GMT

Finnish side confirmation

Finland's Patria to sell FNS Kotka and FNS Oulu to Croatia

The Finnish government on Thursday cleared the sale of FNS Kotka and FNS Oulu to state-controlled arms group Patria and granted an export licence on the Helsinki-class missile boats.

Re: Croatian navy news & discussion

feeds@yuku.com (Vorklift) — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:29:59 GMT

Glad to be helpful. Remember to post some pics when they get there and enter Croatian service.

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feeds@yuku.com (Argosy23) — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:24:19 GMT

Guys, thanks for your info. Can't wait till those ships arrive in the Adriatic!

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feeds@yuku.com (Vorklift) — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:55:29 GMT

Yes they have those sonars to my knowledge. That towed array sonar is supposed to be quite powerful as far as I've understood.

But yes they only have the two depth charge rails, so the ASW capability could be better, but as Croatia currently doesn't possess any ASW capability whatsoever to my understanding I guess it's a very welcomed addition to their arsenal. I wonder how big of a task it would be to add ASW rocket launchers on the deck to add more ASW firepower like...

Re: Croatian navy news & discussion

feeds@yuku.com (Per Nordenberg) — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:38:54 GMT

Argosy23 wrote:
Any ASW capability is a SIGNIFICANT ASW contribution to the Croatian navy
Wiki lists a Simrad SS304 hull mounted sonar and a Finnyards Sonac/PTA towed array sonar for Helsinkis.

If wiki is correct about the Helsinkis having a Finnyards Sonac/PTA towed array (similar to the towed arrays...

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feeds@yuku.com (Argosy23) — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:10:51 GMT

Any ASW capability is a SIGNIFICANT ASW contribution to the Croatian navy
Wiki lists a Simrad SS304 hull mounted sonar and a Finnyards Sonac/PTA towed array sonar for Helsinkis.

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feeds@yuku.com (Per Nordenberg) — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:03:20 GMT

Vorklift wrote:
There's also some talk with some quotes from a Croatian newspaper Slobodna Dalmacija saying, that the purchase of the 2 Helsinki-class ships will increase Croatian Navy's firepower by 50% and gives Croatia for the first time during their independence a chance to monitor the seas also from below the surface as well as locate and fight submarines if necessary.

I didn't know...

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feeds@yuku.com (Per Nordenberg) — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:49:26 GMT

Argosy23 wrote:
BTW, I'm interested in what shape those ships are. Any recent pictures?

Oulu 62, a Helsinki class fast attack craft leave Helsinki for the last time 13 July 2007 to be decommissioned the next day:

Regards,

Per

Re: Croatian navy news & discussion

feeds@yuku.com (Argosy23) — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:18:55 GMT

Thanks, Vorklift! The only thing missing till now was a conformation from finnish media.

BTW, I'm interested in what shape those ships are. Any recent pictures?

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feeds@yuku.com (Vorklift) — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:43:39 GMT

There was news about this in Finnish media yesterday saying, that they will be sold for 6 million euros. The Chief of Defence Admiral Juhani Kaskeala will visit Croatia 5-7th next month due to this deal.

There's also some talk with some quotes from a Croatian newspaper Slobodna Dalmacija saying, that the purchase of the 2 Helsinki-class ships will increase Croatian Navy's firepower by 50% and gives Croatia for the first time during their independence a chance to monitor the...

Re: Croatian navy news & discussion

feeds@yuku.com (Argosy23) — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:37:39 GMT

It seems that the Helsinki deal will indeed happen!

According to one of the croatian newspapers(the link is provided bellow, but sadly the article is in Croatian only), the deal will be signed in less then a month, following a formal visit of viceadmiral Hans Holmström of the Finnish Navy. The 2 corvettes are...

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feeds@yuku.com (Argosy23) — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:29:05 GMT

Re: Croatian navy news & discussion

feeds@yuku.com (Argosy23) — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:42:00 GMT

The problem with Kralj class is that it was never equipped to it's full design specs(and the third in class was scrapped). The engines are crappy, those found in the much older RTOP-21 Sibenik are still going strong despite the ship being 32 years old. The entire refit and the installation of new engines would cost much more then 2 used helsinkis, and would probably be used not that much longer. In that perspective, I see no reason not to replace 2 Kralj class gunboats with 2 helsinkis,...

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feeds@yuku.com (Per Nordenberg) — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:20:02 GMT

Argosy23 wrote:
With 2 Helsinkis bought, I do not think we'll see any Goteborgs bought by Croatia. I'm guessing that the 2 Helsinkis will replace the two Kralj class guboats, not supplement them. The Kralj class is in need of a expensive refit and new engines, which is probably too much to pay for a limited time in service. Thus, I think that the Helsinkis will spend no more than 5-6 years in service with the Croatian...

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feeds@yuku.com (Argosy23) — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:39:08 GMT

With 2 Helsinkis bought, I do not think we'll see any Goteborgs bought by Croatia. I'm guessing that the 2 Helsinkis will replace the two Kralj class guboats, not supplement them. The Kralj class is in need of a expensive refit and new engines, which is probably too much to pay for a limited time in service. Thus, I think that the Helsinkis will spend no more than 5-6 years in service with the Croatian navy, before being replaced with new corvettes/frigates.

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feeds@yuku.com (Per Nordenberg) — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:30:19 GMT

Argosy23 wrote:
It seems that Croatia has bought 2 of the Helsinki class missile boats from Finnland as a part of the Patria AMV purchase, for 6 million euros. The ships would/will be used to fill the gap untill the arrival of new warships.

Good news! According to wikipedia it's the two Finnish Helsinki class boats FNS Oulu and FNS Kotka that have been sold to Croatia. They make...

Re: Croatian navy news & discussion

feeds@yuku.com (Argosy23) — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:50:47 GMT

It seems that Croatia has bought 2 of the Helsinki class missile boats from Finnland as a part of the Patria AMV purchase, for 6 million euros. The ships would/will be used to fill the gap untill the arrival of new warships.
The specs for the new corvettes/frigates have been rewritten. The new plan calls for a class of 4-5 warships of around 90-120 meters in length, which brings me to the conclusion that Gowind 200 might be back in the game. If Kraljevica shipyard gets the deal for...

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feeds@yuku.com (Argosy23) — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:09:18 GMT

Latest news suggest up to 12 smaller units, and up to 5 bigger corvettes.

PK, I didn't understand, are you asking specs on Libya's PV-30LS, or about new croatian navy ships. I can provide some about the PV-30LS.

As for web pages, Kraljevica's web page seems to be down. The Naval Insatitute's web doesn't contain any military content, the only which does is the BSO Split shipyards page. They were the yard mostly involved in submarines construction back in...

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feeds@yuku.com (PK) — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:17:01 GMT

Libya has also signed a deal with Kraljevica shipyards for another 4 PV-30LS patrol boats, and will overhaul and service their fleet in Croatia.
So, there's definately a market for made-in-croatia ships.
Sure, I did not doubt that. Do you have additional info on the designs (Speed, Crew, Equipment etc.)? Or a link to the Naval Institute (the Kraljevica Shipyard seems to be offline)?

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feeds@yuku.com (Argosy23) — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:08:22 GMT

PK wrote:
Certainly it's legitimate for Croatia to develop units of their own. But IMHO, there is strong competition to beat:
Turkey - Yonca MRTP-33 for the small patrol boats (two of them in service for Albania),

Singapore - Fearless Class or

Croatian navy news & discussion

feeds@yuku.com (Argosy23) — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:04:42 GMT
During the recent visist of our president to the Naval Institute which is designing these new ships, plans for building 12 new Coast Guard//HRM("Croatian war navy") were laid up. The 12 ships will be 8 new smaller patrol boats of around 35-40 meters in length, to replace the aging(and small) fleet of Mirnas(in HRM the class is known as Hrvatska Kostajnica class) that we now operate. The additional 4 will be built as corvettes of around 80 meters. Both designs will be designed with...