USS Arizona as carrier?

Re: USS Arizona as carrier?

feeds@yuku.com (BB64) — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:09:37 GMT

I ll settle for a USS FDR or JFK... if it must be polical

But, I ll still want to see a USS Franklin or Saratoga.

Re: USS Arizona as carrier?

feeds@yuku.com (bager1968) — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:31:47 GMT

The vast majority of us here agree... but we are not in charge of that, unfortunately.

Re: USS Arizona as carrier?

feeds@yuku.com (binder001) — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:47:06 GMT

I DO have a dogmatic objection to naming a multi-billion dollar defense asset that may have to last for 50 years after a politician. To me the largest ships SHOULD be named after famous ships or battles or even certain concepts central to our country ("USS Independence", "USS Liberty", etc). I suppose one could cover two bases by using "USS Franklin" which honors the man and CV13. No more congressmen, senators, SECNAVs, etc no matter how much political clout...

Re: USS Arizona as carrier?

feeds@yuku.com (BOBC 59) — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 21:58:36 GMT

I for one would not like to see a ssn or for that matter any other vessel named the U.S.S.Massachusetts like the current trend is, "Big Mamie" the BB59 is doing nicely in her deserved role as a museum and a state memorial

Just my nickels worth

NUFF SAID

BOBC

Re: USS Arizona as carrier?

feeds@yuku.com (Mike Hansen2) — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 06:45:19 GMT

I see someone already addressed this, but, Carl Vinson was not an admiral, he was a US Congressman from Georgia. John Stennis was not an admiral, he was a US Senator from Mississippi.

Re: USS Arizona as carrier?

feeds@yuku.com (NoOneFamous) — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:14:43 GMT

We already have a USS Pearl Harbor http://www.usspearlharbor.navy.mil/

Re: USS Arizona as carrier?

feeds@yuku.com (Freedom Eagle) — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 22:41:07 GMT

Seems to me we came name a carrier any type of name we want. (i.e. battle, state, politician, naval hero, after other former ships)

Re: USS Arizona as carrier?

feeds@yuku.com (bager1968) — Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:34:50 GMT

Arizona is NOT a battle!!

USS Arizona is JUST ONE of the ships sunk during the Battle of Pearl Harbor, which also included fatr more facilitires, and personnel than just those on one ship.

While the Arizona Memorial is also used to honor the entire battle, and its participants, it is primarily a memorial to the one ship.

No history book ever talks of "The Battle of the Arizona", but all that cover the...

Re: USS Arizona as carrier?

feeds@yuku.com (Nightwatch2) — Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:58:58 GMT

well..........

a President McCain might be more inclined to name a carrier "Arizona"......

in my view the name Arizona should forever more be attached to one ship and one ship only.

Re: USS Arizona as carrier?

feeds@yuku.com (emc) — Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:33:04 GMT

Kwajalein wrote:
I'm not particularly fond of naming ships after people at all. Cities, states, battles, marine life, heroic adjectives (Intrepid), and whatever Enterprise could be considered would work fine in my opinion. I remember reading a book about carriers in high school, and one sentence describing the new carrier John C. Stennis would go on to refer it as "she".

I don't have dogmatic...

Re: USS Arizona as carrier?

feeds@yuku.com (Kwajalein) — Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:10:57 GMT

I'm not particularly fond of naming ships after people at all. Cities, states, battles, marine life, heroic adjectives (Intrepid), and whatever Enterprise could be considered would work fine in my opinion. I remember reading a book about carriers in high school, and one sentence describing the new carrier John C. Stennis would go on to refer it as "she".

Re: USS Arizona as carrier?

feeds@yuku.com (borys68) — Sun, 24 Feb 2008 04:01:50 GMT

Ahoj!
EMC - my sentiment exactly.
Regardless of my respect for John Paul 2nd, I hate to have every other thing in my city (re)named after him.
During his lifetime too.
Borys

Re: USS Arizona as carrier?

feeds@yuku.com (jemb) — Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:19:13 GMT

The petitioner is mistaken, as well as a poor writer: Congressman Vinson and Senator Stennis weren't presidents. [They hadn't been sailors but had politically supported the USN. You could argue they should have become destroyers - or SSBN726s, with that class following previuos SSBN naming policy and the more visible CG47s following previous CGNs with state names - but let's not get off the subject!]
When the USN ordered its 1st battle cruisers - the Lexington Class - they...

Re: USS Arizona as carrier?

feeds@yuku.com (emc) — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 01:17:14 GMT

Theodore wrote:
I'll see your correction and raise you two carriers named for Democratic presidents (and a third named for a SecNav/SecDef in Democratic administrations) before the first named for a Republican president. Both parties have treated carrier names as political prizes in recent years, but if we're going to play the "he started it" game, we might as well be historically accurate.

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Re: USS Arizona as carrier?

feeds@yuku.com (Theodore) — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 22:13:29 GMT

I'll see your correction and raise you two carriers named for Democratic presidents (and a third named for a SecNav/SecDef in Democratic administrations) before the first named for a Republican president. Both parties have treated carrier names as political prizes in recent years, but if we're going to play the "he started it" game, we might as well be historically accurate.

Re: USS Arizona as carrier?

feeds@yuku.com (Mark F) — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:51:56 GMT

SeaTurtle Prince wrote:

This guy must not have looked back too far into history. We had a much better CV naming convention _before_ we started naming them after presidents.

Correction: Republican presidents

Re: USS Arizona as carrier?

feeds@yuku.com (bennett0) — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 03:35:50 GMT

"Famous ships of the Old Navy" actually meant famous SUCCESSFUL ships of the Old Navy, or at least ones that had put up a memorable fight before losing. They never used (or probably even considered) Chesapeake, President or Argus for example. Obviously they used Essex, but I'm not sure whether that was because of...

Re: USS Arizona as carrier?

feeds@yuku.com (Sachmle) — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:58:02 GMT

emc wrote:

iirc, the original naming scheme for carriers was after battles (Saratoga) and famous ships (Constellation). Arizona would certainly fall into the latter category. In any case, states' names were used for the most powerful warships, which (currently) are either carriers (which are, unfortunately, being used to reward living politicians)...

Re: USS Arizona as carrier?

feeds@yuku.com (Captain Cee J) — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:56:53 GMT

emc wrote:

iirc, the original naming scheme for carriers was after battles (Saratoga) and famous ships (Constellation). Arizona would certainly fall into the latter category. In any case, states' names were used for the most powerful warships, which (currently) are either carriers (which are, unfortunately, being used to reward living politicians) or SSBN (as in the Ohio class).

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Re: USS Arizona as carrier?

feeds@yuku.com (bager1968) — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 05:30:46 GMT

emc wrote:

iirc, the original naming scheme for carriers was after battles (Saratoga) and famous ships (Constellation). Arizona would certainly fall into the latter category. In any case, states' names were used for the most powerful warships, which (currently) are either carriers (which are, unfortunately, being used to reward living politicians) or SSBN (as in the Ohio class).

Or USS Connecticut...

USS Arizona as carrier?

feeds@yuku.com (BB64) — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:23:08 GMT

I found this on the web looking up info on the Ford Class and I found this...

It a PDF file you need a reader to open this up

http://www.set-az.com/user/USS%20Arizona%20Proposal.pdf