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        <![CDATA[ Gunboats have been utilized as a navy-on-the-cheep as in the U.S.A.s Jeffersonian navy prior to the War of 1812, and have proven useful as a power projection in brown-water conflicts against land forces, but with the possible exceptions of the Swedes v. the Russians in the Baltic, have they ever been successful attacking or defending against ocean going warships of capital size?


Paul T. Weaver
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			<title><![CDATA[ Re: Gunboat utility? ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ I think this thread has gotten two quite distinct concepts of gunboats intertwined (I don&#39;t think anybody is confused except me).
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The Jeffersonian gunboats had a very political basis, and by no means was it exclusively penury: Jefferson was opposed to professional militaries, and viewed
the gunboats as a way of creating a naval militia. He also viewed  merchants, a group of which he was not fond (possibly because Jefferson was, in his personal
life, a spendthrift), as the sole... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ One of the few times the Jefferson gunboats made a major contribution was at New Orleans in 1814-15.  When Andrew Jackson reached New Orleans on 11 December
1814, the British were at the entrance to Lake Borgne.  If the British had  moved to the Mississippi below New Orleans then, the city would have been theirs
for the taking.  Jackson only had about 1,000 militia and 800 regulars.  The riflemen from Tennessee and Kentucky were still on the way and LaFitte&#39;s
services had been turned... ]]></description>

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			<title><![CDATA[ Re: Gunboat utility? ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ No, they really were more like sea-borne artillery batteries, and that&#39;s it. They were made to lob stuff at the shore, not really anything else. ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Jefferson pushed gunboats for a number of reasons, including the desire to prevent overseas operations (this worked up to the skirmishes with the Barbary pirates), a desire to minimize federal expenditures, and a desire to prevent a professional military.<br>
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To work, the gunboats would have had to operate in concert, which would require significant planning and ongoing training.  According to Chappelle's <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>History of the American Sailing Navy</em><!--EZCODE... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Apparently Danish gunboats were very effective against the Royal Navy during the period 1808-1814, in concert with brigs etc. On occasion RN escorted convoys were culled, destroyed or forced to turn back. Even escorting RN frigates and SOL sometimes being severely handled and seen off. A British 64 SOL HMS Africa was  nearly captured.  Apart from a number of other warships listed in the following link many cargo ships were were captured.  <br>
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			<description><![CDATA[ I not too long ago read a history of RN gunboats from the Victorian Era on, and it seems that they were instrumental in dealing with the pirate menace in the pacific from the mid to late 1800s. <br>
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The closest thing I can think of to answer your question  regards gunboats against oceangoing warships, are the British monitors against the SMS Konigsberg, though she wasn't a capitol class vessel. ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ There was some use of gun boats against raids during the Warof 1812 and more importantly on the lakes. They were a significant number in the battle on Lake Champlain on both sides.<br>
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Intrinsically they have huge strategic disadvantages. Their lack of ocean mobility and lack of living quarters means that they actually can only defend a limited area. That means a large number would be required to defend all potential landing areas. <br>
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They pose little or no  threat that the... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ As far as I have read gunboats are pretty useless against anything more then small ships and even then it depends a lot on the situation, such as if the ship was aground or without wind.<br>
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Gunboats had several problems<br>
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1. Lack of fire power since they usually only had one or maybe two major guns.  Also while a gunboat may have a 32 pounder and the small ship may only have 9 pounders, the 9 pounder has as much effect against the small gunboat as the 32 pounder has against the... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Gunboats have been utilized as a navy-on-the-cheep as in the U.S.A.s Jeffersonian navy prior to the War of 1812, and have proven useful as a power projection in brown-water conflicts against land forces, but with the possible exceptions of the Swedes v. the Russians in the Baltic, have they ever been successful attacking or defending against ocean going warships of capital size?<br>
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Paul T. Weaver<br>
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