KIDDs for Taiwan: Status?

Re: KIDDs for Taiwan: Status?

feeds@yuku.com (bager1968) — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 02:14:17 GMT

Looks like Seasick is "all wet".

(just kidding)

Re: KIDDs for Taiwan: Status?

feeds@yuku.com (seasick) — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 01:36:05 GMT

Flood Error

Re: KIDDs for Taiwan: Status?

feeds@yuku.com (seasick) — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 01:35:57 GMT

The SM-2 Block IIIB doesn't have an "option" for IR homing, it uses IR for terminal guidance only in cases where the illuminator is jammed. Big difference.

OOPS.

Re: KIDDs for Taiwan: Status?

feeds@yuku.com (drunknsubmrnr) — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:50:12 GMT

The SM-2 Block IIIB doesn't have an "option" for IR homing, it uses IR for terminal guidance only in cases where the illuminator is jammed. Big difference.

Kevin

Re: KIDDs for Taiwan: Status?

feeds@yuku.com (BryanC TMF) — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:04:07 GMT

Well, the remaining 100 SM-2 Block IIIB were bought in 2007 to bring the inventory to full for the 4 Kidds, but still not enough for stockpile yet, which should be bought through out the next 15 years. And authorization of funding for the 12 P-3C, 9 Patriot 3(upgrade of existing 3 battery of PAC-2 GEM to PAC-3, and 4+2 new PAC-3 batteries) plus the 8 SSK submarine deal were just passed by end of 2007.

Re: KIDDs for Taiwan: Status?

feeds@yuku.com (JBren1) — Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:56:09 GMT

MK45GMG wrote:
The big questions is can the Taiwanese keep all four in working order and I am thinking no because Taiwan is a poor country.

Not poor, ranks between Germany and Italy on the IMF's list of GDP per capita, though pretty small (~20mil people). Anyway could certainly afford to maintain those 4 ships in a highly ready state if they really commit to do so. But Taiwan's commitment to...

Re: KIDDs for Taiwan: Status?

feeds@yuku.com (seasick) — Sat, 23 Feb 2008 07:47:00 GMT

I believe that the Kidds are armed with RIM-66K-2 (Standard Missile SM-2MR Block IIIA NTU version). The Block IIIA seems to be the favored export version. Most of the USN's SM-2MR have been upgraded to Block IIIB. Block IIIB standards have ~~an option for terminal IR homing, so terminal illumination isn't needed.~~ [correction: Block IIIB has a supplemental IR that activates if the terminal homming is jammed]. The SM-6 which is in development has the active homing device...

Re: KIDDs for Taiwan: Status?

feeds@yuku.com (MK45GMG) — Sat, 23 Feb 2008 05:44:19 GMT

As a former Kidd class DDG sailor, I can tell you that we carried the SM-2MR. The ER bird was shot from the MK10 launcher found on Leahy, Belknap, and Long Beach class CG's and Coontz class DDG's. The New Threat Upgrade added the SPS-48E and SPS49 air search radars plus SYS-2 which allowed the ships to use a mid course guidance system that gave the missiles greater range because of a more fuel efficient flight profile. The Scott was the NTU test ship from '88 to '89 and...

Re: KIDDs for Taiwan: Status?

feeds@yuku.com (MConrads) — Fri, 31 Mar 2006 07:46:09 GMT

Still there:

www.navsource.org/archive...599310.jpg

www.navsource.org/archive...599315.jpg

Regards.

Re: KIDDs for Taiwan: Status?

feeds@yuku.com (Michael Hoddy) — Fri, 31 Mar 2006 03:36:02 GMT

Where'd the SPS-48 go? What replaced it?

Michael Hoddy

Re: KIDDs for Taiwan: Status?

feeds@yuku.com (becksh) — Wed, 29 Mar 2006 05:14:35 GMT

Is there any plan to replace SPQ-9A with SPQ-9B? It would improve the Kidd's capability against sea-skimmers significantly.

www.sperrymarine.northrop...s/anspq9b/

Cheers,
Sunho

Re: KIDDs for Taiwan: Status?

feeds@yuku.com (LordArpad) — Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:54:40 GMT

The ERs don't fit on those launchers, nor into the magazines.

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Re: KIDDs for Taiwan: Status?

feeds@yuku.com (Per Nordenberg) — Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:36:58 GMT

Many thanks for the corrections. I have long believed that they carried SM-2 ER missiles with longer range than the missile types carried by AEGIS ships, but obviously I have been mistaken. Impressive ships nevertheless.

Regards,

Per Nordenberg

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Re: KIDDs for Taiwan: Status?

feeds@yuku.com (taschoene) — Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:54:40 GMT

The Kidds never carried RIM-67 SM-2ER. That missile is not compatible with the rapid-cycle Mk 26 trainable rail launcher. Contrary to the comment on the NavWeaps page, the new RIM-156 (SM-2 Block IV) series is not compatible with the Mk26, only with VLS. The booster makes this missile too long to fit in the Mk 26 magazine. Thus, the only SAMs for the Kidd class are the RIM-66 SM-2MR series.

IMO, DesignationSystems.net is a...

Re: KIDDs for Taiwan: Status?

feeds@yuku.com (Per Nordenberg) — Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:01:13 GMT

Assuming they still carry SM-2 ER RIM-67B missiles (as opposed to SM-2 MR RIM-66C and RIM-156 missiles on AEGIS ships), and due to the fact that the missiles do not have to "ride" a illuminated beam all the way to the target, the SM-2 ER missiles can fly "a more fuel-efficient route thus greatly improving their effective range".

Re: KIDDs for Taiwan: Status?

feeds@yuku.com (BryanC TMF) — Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:34:03 GMT

The SPG-60 radar on board, usually used as gun fire control radar, can also be used to direct SM-2 missiles. As with SM-2, which is mid course correction, terminal phase guided, Kidd would have 3 channels of streaming missiles in the air, and only need the 3 radars to provide terminal guidence in the terminal phase of the missile flight.

The 1st pair of Kidds were returned to Taiwan in mid December 2005 and commissioned few days later. 2nd pair of Kidd DDGs would return to Taiwan...

Re: KIDDs for Taiwan: Status?

feeds@yuku.com (MConrads) — Sun, 26 Mar 2006 12:43:57 GMT

Ok, MihoshiK, seems that I was wrong about the gun:

www.navsource.org/archive...599416.jpg

Very nice drawings indeed.

Regards.

Re: KIDDs for Taiwan: Status?

feeds@yuku.com (MihoshiK) — Sun, 26 Mar 2006 03:17:35 GMT

Actually with the NTU upgrades the Kidds recieved they can have rather more missiles in the air, as the SPG51 now only needs to be used for final illumination, which shouldn't take more than a few seconds per target.
It's anyone's guess how much missiles the Kidds can now control in flight, but I wouldn't be surprised at eight missiles in the air at once, and possibly more.

Re: KIDDs for Taiwan: Status?

feeds@yuku.com (Mario) — Sun, 26 Mar 2006 03:00:13 GMT

I had never noticed that only two SPG51 radars are installed and then, AFAIK, only two missiles could be guided, only one vs targets approaching from forward or from aft.

Then such a large destroyer is not really much more capable for AAW than old and smaller destroyers like japanese Hatakaze, italian De La Penne or french Cassard.

I wonder why those twin launchers have not been coupled to at least 3 guidance radars.

Re: KIDDs for Taiwan: Status?

feeds@yuku.com (P44) — Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:45:28 GMT

Thanks for the picture, it's the 1st I have seen of a KIdd in Taiwan's service!

Well, besides the chnage on the rear mast, nothing special and nothing that resembles an AEGIS

Thx Guys!!!!

KIDDs for Taiwan: Status?

feeds@yuku.com (P44) — Sat, 25 Mar 2006 14:59:54 GMT

Hello

Does anyone has recent information about the 4 DDGs ex-KIDD to be transfered to Taiwan?

Also, are there any drawings of the final look or pictures available of some transformations being made on the structure of the ships?

I ask this because I consulted the last ed. of "Warships IFR" and there it has a pic of a ex-KIDD being prepared in the US before transfer.

Mainly, the structure above the bridge "seems" to being modified in some...