Will Japan re-enter the aircraft carrier game?

Re: Will Japan re-enter the aircraft carrier game?

feeds@yuku.com (FreeloaderUK) — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:41:29 GMT

its in the USA's interest for Japan to get in the carrier game- a strong Japan will help counter china in 20years time.

Re: Will Japan re-enter the aircraft carrier game?

feeds@yuku.com (Bledlow) — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:16:12 GMT

Practica wrote:
IIRC the JMSDF is prohibited from conducting operations more than 500 miles from their own coast, due to the terms of the post WWII Treaty, or has this changed.

AFAIK that was a self-imposed limit. IIRC it was increased to 1000 nautical miles long ago, & since Japanese ships have deployed to the western Indian Ocean in support of the USN, that must have been abolished, or exemptions...

Re: Will Japan re-enter the aircraft carrier game?

feeds@yuku.com (bager1968) — Sun, 26 Aug 2007 06:54:35 GMT

The current JSDF is capable of "offensive actions", and has lots of "capability" and "weapons", therefore is already in violation of a (very) strict reading of the constitution.

Since what they now have is being accepted, very little (if anything) else is prohibited... at least by the constitution.

There are, however several national laws that restrict operational locations and types, but these are far easier to change.

Re: Will Japan re-enter the aircraft carrier game?

feeds@yuku.com (Sargon) — Sun, 26 Aug 2007 02:56:09 GMT

That's about right. As mentioned in another thread here where I've discussed the thinking behind the Constitution at length, a lot of it boils down to interpretation.

Sargon

Re: Will Japan re-enter the aircraft carrier game?

feeds@yuku.com (pascaly) — Sat, 23 Jun 2007 07:39:46 GMT

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very broadly reinterpreted.

As a work colleague of mine (a lawyer) often says, all he does is read what someone else wrote, and works out what else it could mean.

Kto kogo

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*takes ruler and measures distance to Persian Golf* hmmm ...

The miles in the treaty are Ye Olde Japanese Imperial Miles, 20000 yards to each :)

Borys

Re: Will Japan re-enter the aircraft carrier game?

feeds@yuku.com (LordArpad) — Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:24:38 GMT

*takes ruler and measures distance to Persian Golf* hmmm ...

Re: Will Japan re-enter the aircraft carrier game?

feeds@yuku.com (Practica) — Sun, 17 Jun 2007 15:08:44 GMT

IIRC the JMSDF is prohibited from conducting operations more than 500 miles from their own coast, due to the terms of the post WWII Treaty, or has this changed.

Re: Will Japan re-enter the aircraft carrier game?

feeds@yuku.com (jim3au) — Sat, 16 Jun 2007 05:19:11 GMT

At this time, Japan must have a navy that can keep her sea lanes open.

She has ships to compete with a hostile PRC but the PRCs interests in part coincide with Japan's. The PRC needs the sea lanes open too.

In this context, a large carrier is more of a target than an asset. Helcopter carriers are a different matter. They can be used to patrol large areas of ocean. They can attack small, fast attack craft and they can be used to help detect and attack submarines.

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Re: Will Japan re-enter the aircraft carrier game?

feeds@yuku.com (DrAdam H) — Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:19:26 GMT

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Re: Will Japan re-enter the aircraft carrier game?

feeds@yuku.com (DrAdam H) — Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:13:50 GMT

What would her role be in something like NATO for the Pacific?

You mean like SEATO?

It's like why the RN carriers of ww2 carried fewer planes but were more heavily armoured than the USA.

Because they knew they didn't have as many planes or pilots to go around and those they did have were of marketly lower quality? They also had a leader that had saw several ship blowup and sink at Jutland thus resulting in a knee jerk demand that every capital ship be as heavily...

Re: Will Japan re-enter the aircraft carrier game?

feeds@yuku.com (Unregistered(d)) — Sat, 02 Jun 2007 08:16:00 GMT

I think we should consider their thinking first.
What KIND of carrier they need for their national interests, where and why.

Japan is more like Britain than America in that sense. She is far closer to land-based tactical air threat than America for instance. What would her role be in something like NATO for the Pacific?(I've actually been involved in consulting in regards to such).

It's like why the RN carriers of ww2 carried fewer planes but were more heavily armoured...

Re: Will Japan re-enter the aircraft carrier game?

feeds@yuku.com (bd popeye) — Thu, 24 May 2007 17:18:17 GMT

Carrier for sale?? yea I can see the ad...

5 used aircraft carriers for sale. Cheap! Need work. Bring tow chain. You tow, You fix, you save...

Those ships have all be striken for the Navy list. They have no cats, no anchors, no props. Many other internal componets have been removed. No preservation maintance is performed on any of them. They are hulks awaiting their final disposal. Damn shame.

Re: Will Japan re-enter the aircraft carrier game?

feeds@yuku.com (DrAdam H) — Sun, 13 May 2007 13:18:08 GMT

Given the material condition of the mothballed carriers I wouldn't wish that on them.

Re: Will Japan re-enter the aircraft carrier game?

feeds@yuku.com (BB64) — Wed, 09 May 2007 19:00:02 GMT

At least we get cash and be free of it... but even that idea have a snowball chance in hell.

Re: Will Japan re-enter the aircraft carrier game?

feeds@yuku.com (Sargon) — Tue, 08 May 2007 22:09:43 GMT

Perhaps, but having lived in Japan for quite some time, the feeling is that one of the previous carrier names is more likely than the most prestigious name of all when naming new (and presumably not so large at this stage) carriers.

They are likely to reserve that for something special. One has to understand the beautiful poetic meaning of this ancient provincial name and the effect it has upon people.

Sargon

Re: Will Japan re-enter the aircraft carrier game?

feeds@yuku.com (heiwa210) — Tue, 08 May 2007 13:59:15 GMT

Japan is already slowly getting back into the carrier game, check out there new DDH, similar to the British light carriers, first one was laid down in 2006. Below there are a couple of links to this new ship and there a couple of post in the carrier board. You can find many more articales on this ship with google.

www.jeffhead.com/worldwid.../16ddh.htm
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Re: Will Japan re-enter the aircraft carrier game?

feeds@yuku.com (Admiral Beez) — Tue, 08 May 2007 01:46:25 GMT

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I have my doubts that it would be called Yamato. I would expect it to be named after a mythical flying creature, or one of the famous converted carriers of the past whose names did not follow that convention.

The name Yamato has a growing fan base in Japan. It's also an important province of Japan, and thus deserves consideration.

Re: Will Japan re-enter the aircraft carrier game?

feeds@yuku.com (Sargon) — Tue, 08 May 2007 01:42:21 GMT

I have my doubts that it would be called Yamato. I would expect it to be named after a mythical flying creature, or one of the famous converted carriers of the past whose names did not follow that convention.

Sargon

Will Japan re-enter the aircraft carrier game?

feeds@yuku.com (Admiral Beez) — Mon, 07 May 2007 14:52:44 GMT

With India building a large CV, China building up Varag and even Thailand sporting a carrier AND talk of Japan wishing to change or drop its pacifistic constitution, will Japan one day re-enter the aircraft carrier game?

Let's assume yes....and the new JSDF Yamato is begun. What does it look like? What aircraft? Presumably US JSF will be of strong interest.