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        <title>A soft spot for an &quot;Odd Duck&quot;.  CV-4 </title>
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        <![CDATA[ For some reason I've always had a soft spot for Ranger - CV-4.&nbsp; Of course she has always been considered as something of an "Odd Duck" and her design is generally described as "not successful", yet she was a pretty ship, and served with distinction for many years including combat missions in WW II.&nbsp; The number of fliers trained, experiments conducted, lessons learned etc. make it hard for me to accept that she was a "failure"...What think you??Likewise I am intrigued by the idea of... ]]>
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			<description><![CDATA[ ChrisPat wrote:Flattop wrote:Certainly in the 20s and 30s the U.S. Navy chose to develop dive bombing.&nbsp; If fact, however, the Fleet Air Arm did not develop fighter bombers; rather it was forced to modify land based aircraft such as the Hurricane for ...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/273379/A-soft-spot-for-an-Odd-Duck-CV4#reply-273379">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Flattop wrote:Certainly in the 20s and 30s the U.S. Navy chose to develop dive bombing.&nbsp; If fact, however, the Fleet Air Arm did not develop fighter bombers; rather it was forced to modify land based aircraft such as the Hurricane for use aboard carr...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/273268/A-soft-spot-for-an-Odd-Duck-CV4#reply-273268">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ ChrisPat wrote:Flattop wrote:The U.S. Navy didn't have Hurricanes in 1942, they had Wildcats.I did say this doesn't happen overnight but from decisions taken in the '20.&nbsp; If a naval FB with 500lb bomb load is possible for anyone it is for the USN (an...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/273230/A-soft-spot-for-an-Odd-Duck-CV4#reply-273230">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ jlyons97 wrote:&nbsp;Scout / Dive Bomber in 1940ish but could have chosen a Scout / Torpedo bomber?'The 'chosing' was not done 1940ish, it was done several years before. The Vought SBU-1 (I think the first 'SB-') was ordered in 1935. Other SBD-predecessor...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/273156/A-soft-spot-for-an-Odd-Duck-CV4#reply-273156">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Flattop wrote:The U.S. Navy didn't have Hurricanes in 1942, they had Wildcats.I did say this doesn't happen overnight but from decisions taken in the '20.&nbsp; If a naval FB with 500lb bomb load is possible for anyone it is for the USN (and IJN).When the...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/273154/A-soft-spot-for-an-Odd-Duck-CV4#reply-273154">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ &nbsp;Scout / Dive Bomber in 1940ish but could have chosen a Scout / Torpedo bomber?'The 'chosing' was not done 1940ish, it was done several years before. The Vought SBU-1 (I think the first 'SB-') was ordered in 1935. Other SBD-predecessors such as the S...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/273011/A-soft-spot-for-an-Odd-Duck-CV4#reply-273011">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ ChrisPat wrote:Flattop wrote:So, it's May 1942 and we've taken the DBs out of the air groups and replacing them with FB; which means you've got F4F Wildcats and TBD Devastators.&nbsp; We have previously noted the short range of the TBD at 435 miles (700 k...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/272973/A-soft-spot-for-an-Odd-Duck-CV4#reply-272973">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ jlyons97 wrote:Finding the opponent's flight decks first was a big deal in the mid-late '30s. Hence the parade of scout bomber designs enroute to the SBD. Which could search out to the desired radius of 200m and deliver a 500lb bomb onto flight decks thus...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/272895/A-soft-spot-for-an-Odd-Duck-CV4#reply-272895">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Flattop wrote:So, it's May 1942 and we've taken the DBs out of the air groups and replacing them with FB; which means you've got F4F Wildcats and TBD Devastators.&nbsp; We have previously noted the short range of the TBD at 435 miles (700 km),&nbsp; the r...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/272894/A-soft-spot-for-an-Odd-Duck-CV4#reply-272894">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Bomb-displacing gear has also been called a bomb fork or crutch.  When the bomb was released, the displacing gear swung the bombs safely away from the aircraft, clearing the propeller and landing gear. You couldn't put displacement gear on a fighter, but ...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/272838/A-soft-spot-for-an-Odd-Duck-CV4#reply-272838">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ jlyons97 wrote:for a biplane TSR. No&nbsp; doubt the biplanes could go straight down. But, I submit these antediluvian airplanes were not effective dive bombers because they (1) could not get high enough to allow the bomb to reach terminal velocity, and (...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/272829/A-soft-spot-for-an-Odd-Duck-CV4#reply-272829">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ ChrisPat wrote:Flattop wrote:Even if your FB with 2 x 250 lb manage to disable the target enough to keep it from escaping additional attacks, you still need a bigger punch to finish her off."a few TB on the optimistic hope of being able to use them."&nbsp...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/272823/A-soft-spot-for-an-Odd-Duck-CV4#reply-272823">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ for a biplane TSR. No&nbsp; doubt the biplanes could go straight down. But, I submit these antediluvian airplanes were not effective dive bombers because they (1) could not get high enough to allow the bomb to reach terminal velocity, and (2) the under th...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/272810/A-soft-spot-for-an-Odd-Duck-CV4#reply-272810">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Flattop wrote:Even if your FB with 2 x 250 lb manage to disable the target enough to keep it from escaping additional attacks, you still need a bigger punch to finish her off."a few TB on the optimistic hope of being able to use them."&nbsp; Especially if...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/272695/A-soft-spot-for-an-Odd-Duck-CV4#reply-272695">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ ChrisPat wrote:Flattop wrote:I might agree if the FB can carry at least 1,000 lbs in bombs.Depends when...I would take a Sea Hurricane with 2 x 250lb in 1939 for the RN.Shooting down a quarter of the enemy planes is not the same as sinking a quarter of hi...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/272629/A-soft-spot-for-an-Odd-Duck-CV4#reply-272629">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Flattop wrote:I might agree if the FB can carry at least 1,000 lbs in bombs.Depends when...I would take a Sea Hurricane with 2 x 250lb in 1939 for the RN.Shooting down a quarter of the enemy planes is not the same as sinking a quarter of his carriers.&nbs...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/272561/A-soft-spot-for-an-Odd-Duck-CV4#reply-272561">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ ChrisPat wrote:Flattop wrote:Theory is one thing, what happens in practice is often another.In which case you'll have to adjust your mix, perhaps at short notice.&nbsp; Much easier to retask FBs (even in the air) than to change from DB to F or vv.In some ...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/272322/A-soft-spot-for-an-Odd-Duck-CV4#reply-272322">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ wrt the Japanese air groups they seem to go from roughly a third in each role to being fighter heavy.  I know they were short of trained aircrew, did DB / TB pilots get re roled to Zeros?
Interesting that the groups with only two types are fighters with ...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/272278/A-soft-spot-for-an-Odd-Duck-CV4#reply-272278">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Flattop wrote:Theory is one thing, what happens in practice is often another.In which case you'll have to adjust your mix, perhaps at short notice.&nbsp; Much easier to retask FBs (even in the air) than to change from DB to F or vv.In some cases...VS-6 an...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/272228/A-soft-spot-for-an-Odd-Duck-CV4#reply-272228">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ After the post on American carrier air groups, I thought I would to a post about Japanese carrier air groups for comparison.Coral SeaCV Shokaku: 18 Zeros, 20 (Vals), 19 TB (Kates)CV Zuikaku: 20 Zeros, 22 DB, 22 TBCVL Shoho: 8 Zeros, 6 TBMidwayCV Akagi: 24...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/272178/A-soft-spot-for-an-Odd-Duck-CV4#reply-272178">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 19:37:42 PST</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[ For some reason I've always had a soft spot for Ranger - CV-4.&nbsp; Of course she has always been considered as something of an "Odd Duck" and her design is generally described as "not successful", yet she was a pretty ship, and served with distinction f...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/topic/19621/A-soft-spot-for-an-Odd-Duck-CV4">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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