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        <![CDATA[ Here, I am with the Minister.The ADF has to meet, and exceed community expectations, and be seen to be meeting them.Thoughts? ]]>
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			<title><![CDATA[ Re: ADFA Scandal  ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ I notice the absence of facts ]]></description>

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			<title><![CDATA[ Re: ADFA Scandal  ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ If this were one isolated incident maybe you'd have a valid point. But it is not an isolated incident, grossly substandard behaviour crops up on what appears to be an annual basis.So in an organisation of 80 000 uniformed personnel, grossly substandard be...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/271583/ADFA-Scandal#reply-271583">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<title><![CDATA[ Re: ADFA Scandal  ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ Fred you are confusing policies and outcomes. ADF's policies may be equal to or (as you claim) better than those in general Australian organisations, but the outcomes, frankly, aren't. If this were one isolated incident maybe you'd have a valid point. But...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/271534/ADFA-Scandal#reply-271534">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 23:30:07 PST</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[ "I'm afraid I still don't understand your point."

I think that might have a little to do with where Stephen Smith is coming from, for all his failings - 60,000 uniformed personel, and not one of them quite getting the point. ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:28:36 PST</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[ Re: ADFA Scandal  ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ NewGolconda wrote:
Why bring it up again? David Chessum suggested that similar events would receive little or no attention at a civilian university, (IIRC David has a military background (RNZN?) - in which case I think it's worth pointing out that these ...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/271501/ADFA-Scandal#reply-271501">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ "Kate" - multiple discipline charges less than 6 weeks into her first year, fraternisation is another, from the way the incident was set up it wouldn't have been the first time.  Goes to the media, another breech, lies to the media, another breech, but sh...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/271419/ADFA-Scandal#reply-271419">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ I'm afraid I still don't understand your point. The male cadets charged out of the incident will almost certainly be dismissed from the ADF. The way it works though, is the ADF must wait for the civilian criminal proceedings to be completed before either ...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/271401/ADFA-Scandal#reply-271401">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Entrapping a female colueage to have unknown video sex in front of numerous co workers on company premises would most certainly result in dissmisal in any well managed civilian enterprise in this country, should she make a complaint. 1

Getting sauced a...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/271384/ADFA-Scandal#reply-271384">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ At my Australian place of work if I posted a picture of a half dressed woman on my desk and refused to remove it, I'd eventually get the sack. Now, I haven't had the opportunity to go any further than that, but I suggest the ADF /is/ out of line with prof...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/271378/ADFA-Scandal#reply-271378">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Yes, that's the other civilian analogy, given these guys are employees, on company premises, this behaviour, even one tenth of this behaviour would get them fired. ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Fred Nirk

At my Australian place of work if I posted a picture of a half dressed woman on my desk and refused to remove it, I'd eventually get the sack. Now, I haven't had the opportunity to go any further than that, but I suggest the ADF /is/ out of l...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/271160/ADFA-Scandal#reply-271160">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ there will be some code of conduct somewhere that he is in breach of.Jim, if that were the case, don't you think that the recent inquiry, conducted over 8 months by team of lawyers headed by a QC and that was reviewed by another team of lawyers over 3 mon...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/271010/ADFA-Scandal#reply-271010">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Sorry NG - I really can't agree with you on this one.  Kate wasn't the first woman to discover that compromising images had been taken of her, and she won't be the last.  While I am not suggesting that this is acceptable, I am suggesting that it is not un...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/270952/ADFA-Scandal#reply-270952">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Fred, I just spent a few minutes reading the Defence Force Code of Conduct and&nbsp;the ADFA Code of Conduct. It sounds to me like these may be a lot more relevant to you than me. Having been on the wrong side of different hearings and investigations [and...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/270940/ADFA-Scandal#reply-270940">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ New Golconda, you have not read the report because it had not been released as of last week. People have been leaking bits to the media. Tony Abbott has not been able to get a briefing or a copy of the report.

Fred, you are simply wrong about the stand...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/270939/ADFA-Scandal#reply-270939">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ You make good points NewGolconda, but I think you are very unfair in stating that the ADF doesn't reflect community values. The fact is, by pretty much every metric, the ADF exceeds the standards of the Australian community as a whole (as it should be of ...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/270875/ADFA-Scandal#reply-270875">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Trying to compare the discipline system in the military to civilian equivalents only adds to the ignorance of the majority of the population with regards to these matters.

Fred, Jim is wide of the mark, and arguing in ignorance in part. But I will tell...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/270864/ADFA-Scandal#reply-270864">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Again, Jim, you are showing you don't have a full grasp of the facts. ADFA is not part of the Royal Military College. That is over the hill at Duntroon and answers to a different boss. Kafer is not in charge of the University College of the University of ...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/270827/ADFA-Scandal#reply-270827">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ http://www.army.gov.au/rmc/Duntroon.aspFred, I know that the Royal Military College of Australia is created under charter, hence the name, but it is also a college of the University of New South Wales. I know that it is a military institution and hence mi...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/270824/ADFA-Scandal#reply-270824">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Jim, you are way off base if you are trying to compare whats in that link with the situation at ADFA. Your link is relevant to a civilian employer disciplining an employee. That has very little relevance to the military. The female officer cadet was charg...<br /><a href="http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/270797/ADFA-Scandal#reply-270797">Read More</a> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Here, I am with the Minister.The ADF has to meet, and exceed community expectations, and be seen to be meeting them.Thoughts? ]]></description>

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