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Is the Israeli MF-STAR one of the contenders for the F125 ?
I was under the impression that MF-STAR was more or less the same as APAR / SEAPAR, less the embedded ICWI (i.e. MF-STAR needs slaved illumnators for SARH missiles).

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However I don´t agree on your assessment that the F125 will rarely deploy alone. On the contrary the F125 will be the sole runner for stabilization missions. Higher threat environments will be tasked to the F123/124 instead. The F125 will also be equipped with flag facilities allowing for a staff for joint and combined operations with connections to land operations.

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Harpoon (two four-cell Harpoon missile launchers from F122)
2X 21 RAM (Rolling Airframe Missiles from F122)
1x 127mm Oto Melara
2x 27mm MLG (Light Naval Gun System from F122)
5x 12,7mm RCHMG Oto Melara (Remote Controlled Heavy Machine Gun)
2x 12,7 mm sMG
4x MASS (Multi Ammunition Softkill System)
2x MH-90 helicopters
4x 33-ft-boats
Underwater operated vehicles
... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Per Nordenberg) http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/sreply/19681 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:12:17 GMT http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/19688/t/Germany-orders-4-new-frigates-and-other-news.html#reply-19688

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Anyway, all phased-array radars that are fire control radars as well would be overkill and way to expansive without the corresponding SAM system. That leaves CEA-FAR and MF-Star at least until someone pulls a German designed and build phased-array radar out of its head somehow (fixed TRS-3D anyone??:-).

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Is the Israeli MF-STAR one of the contenders for the F125 ?

... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (MattReloaded) http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/sreply/19688 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:49:17 GMT http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/19687/t/Germany-orders-4-new-frigates-and-other-news.html#reply-19687

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It seems to me that these new frigates will have less combat capabilities than the warships they will replace.
For example an old Bremen (f122) has not only RAM launchers, harpoon missiles, 2 helos, light guns, chaff launchers, but also a Sea Sparrow launcher and Mk46 torpedos.

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So the only mayor combat difference are the SAM system and the torpedo... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (MConrads) http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/sreply/19687 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:32:06 GMT http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/19680/t/Germany-orders-4-new-frigates-and-other-news.html#reply-19680

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There are rumors that either a vls will be fitted or the design will be fitted-for-not-with a vls. But until those rumors are confirmed (which is very unlikely if you ask me) you are right I am afraid.

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Probably a stupid question, but what's the point of having a phased-array multi-function radar on the F125 if they don't have some AAW capabilities beyond RAM, in the form... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (MattReloaded) http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/sreply/19680 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:07:52 GMT http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/19686/t/Germany-orders-4-new-frigates-and-other-news.html#reply-19686

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the sensors of a frigate but none of the armament

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Are the F125 not supposed to have 48 mk41 cells? I certainly remember reading that somewhere.
If this is the case, they will be quite well armed IMO. ]]> feeds@yuku.com (JS5) http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/sreply/19686 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 08:48:33 GMT http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/19685/t/Germany-orders-4-new-frigates-and-other-news.html#reply-19685
Essentially, the... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (MSR) http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/sreply/19685 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 01:40:16 GMT http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/19679/t/Germany-orders-4-new-frigates-and-other-news.html#reply-19679

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For example an old Bremen (f122) has not only RAM launchers, harpoon missiles, 2 helos, light guns, chaff launchers, but also a Sea Sparrow launcher and Mk46 torpedos.

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The primary role of the F125 is supposed to be "presence" in peace-keeping operations, as i understand it. And for that, it's even better suited than a Bremen, which, while considered... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (kato) http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/sreply/19679 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:56:55 GMT http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/19678/t/Germany-orders-4-new-frigates-and-other-news.html#reply-19678
Anyway I stay a bit confused.
It seems to me that these new frigates will have less combat capabilities than the warships they will replace, but for the 127/64 (for sure a powerful asset) and a few 12,7mm machine guns...

For example an old Bremen (f122) has not only RAM launchers, harpoon missiles, 2 helos, light guns, chaff launchers, but also a Sea Sparrow launcher and Mk46 torpedos.



]]> feeds@yuku.com (caioduilio) http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/sreply/19678 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:20:38 GMT http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/19677/t/Germany-orders-4-new-frigates-and-other-news.html#reply-19677

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No ESSM or similar system?

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There are rumors that either a vls will be fitted or the design will be fitted-for-not-with a vls. But until those rumors are confirmed (which is very unlikely if you ask me) you are right I am afraid.

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no ASW system will be... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (MConrads) http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/sreply/19677 Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:31:48 GMT http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/topic/1421/t/Germany-orders-4-new-frigates-and-other-news.html
since no one posted it yet:

"Press release, 2007-06-26
Contract for the construction of four frigates signed

On Tuesday, June 26, the contract between the Federal Office for Defence Technology and Procurement and ARGE F125 for building four Class 125 frigates was signed. ARGE F125 consists of ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems leading ARGE F125 and Fr. Lürssen Werft.

On ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems' side, the locations Hamburg (Blohm + Voss)... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (MConrads) http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/topic/1421 Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:15:25 GMT